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Re: Spartacus Blood and Sand / Gods of the Arena

Postby Tamayo » Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:54 am

Yeah I do wish he was a little bigger, but even Andy wasn't a super huge guy either compared to some of these other men. I read that the new guy had lost weight for some role prior to this show, so maybe he'll be more bulked up for the 3rd season.
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Re: Spartacus Blood and Sand / Gods of the Arena

Postby Feaduin » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:45 pm

Oh come on!
A Roman period sword in such condition can do that?
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can't cut through THAT much bone... and on an upswing? He shoulda screamed SHORYUKEN!!! Also, I wish they showed Gannicus do his thing against Ashur's thug.
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Re: Spartacus Blood and Sand / Gods of the Arena

Postby Tamayo » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:05 am

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I'm no expert on Roman weapons so I don't know what they're capable of, or what state it was really in, but I still thought that was cool. Shows that Spartacus ain't messing around, and that his skills are greater than his size. Although I was waiting for Crixus to go ape shit on that big guy instead. Good character moment for Agron, standing up for Naevia though; hopefully it will help mend things between him and Crixus. I was fearing much worse to come from these new comers.
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Re: Spartacus Blood and Sand / Gods of the Arena

Postby Tamayo » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:07 am

After doing some quick research, found the following passage from The History of Rome by Titus Livius:

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Accordingly, those who, being always accustomed to fight with Greeks and Illyrians, had only seen wounds made with javelins and arrows, seldom even by lances, came to behold bodies dismembered by the Spanish sword, some with their arms lopped off, with the shoulder or the neck entirely cut through, heads severed from the trunk, and the bowels laid open, with other frightful exhibitions of wounds: they therefore perceived, with horror, against what weapons and what men they were to fight. Even the king himself was seized with apprehensions, having never yet engaged the Romans in a regular battle. (the sword they're referring to is the typical Roman gladius)


It's pretty interesting reading about the actual history of Spartacus, need to find some books...
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Re: Spartacus Blood and Sand / Gods of the Arena

Postby Sord » Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:04 am

I don't have any facts to back it up but my Latin teacher often said that the Roman gladius has taken more lives than any other weapon in existence.
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Postby Feaduin » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:27 pm

No doubt it was cool! I was shouting OOOOOHHH!! and clapping and laughing when it happened.
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I just doubt he could do THAT because of the biomechanics of an upward swing combined with the area he hit and the condition of a battle worn sword. At best, a leaning upward swing like the one he performed isn't using all the core muscles of a downward swing or an uppercut. The area he hit was through the thickest cross section of the skull. Taking an upward blow should have forced his head up looking skyward at impact and deflected the cut toward the front of his face. Instead the sword cut totally vertical like he was purposely holding still and that his head was made of cabbage :rofl: Yeah I know, I'm just picking nits but think it would have been even more effective had it not been so cleanly perfect. Illustrations below!

http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Deadliest_Warrior/70143868?trkid=2361637

Not sure if this link will work but if not, then search for S2E6 of the Deadliest Warrior to see the Gladius in action. Featured at about 18:40 if you want to skip forward but the episode is fun to watch regardless. Limbs easily get lopped off but notice these are downward strikes and notice how the Gladius gets a little stuck when he starts stabbing. It simply isn't a cleaving type of weapon. That's how I can account for severed limbs and heads but not for a clean cut through skull.

Of course, you could always do your OWN tests with a fine replica from Albion Swords! I'm a little surprised that he is selling these hand forged replicas for around 750 as I usually see swords go for at least double.


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Re: Spartacus Blood and Sand / Gods of the Arena

Postby Tamayo » Sat Mar 24, 2012 12:00 pm

That was a hell of an episode, hit some really good character beats, putting an end some some feuds and forming kinship among the rebels.
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Sucks that Oenomaus lost an eye, but historically he would be dead at this point I believe. I don't expect him and Glaber to last out the season. Speaking of Glaber, he has become quite the villain heading into the end of the season, a definite substitute for Batiatus... though a different kind of villain nonetheless. I've been reading about the real war and there is going to be some grim ass shit coming up, and they've already cast Marcus Crassus for season 3, the man who in real life killed Spartacus and quelled the rebellion. So that should be interesting.
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Re: Spartacus Blood and Sand / Gods of the Arena

Postby Feaduin » Sat Mar 31, 2012 5:09 pm

Just caught up with the last 2 eps + the season finale just now.

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Glaber getting ruthless was nice to see making him uber evil. The Asher build up is also very well done. Watching him rack up his renegade meter is cringeworthy. Will Mira have to choke a bitch? Resoundingly, yes. And it was intense. The acting for Lucretia and Ilythia is really top notch intense. Reminded me of Nurse Ratchet. Not sure why the forest hunter guy decided to linger and die but it helped to build up the Egyptian dagger guy.


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We get a gander at Glaber's giblets. I know Roman fashion removed body hair but did they shave their nuts too? Like porn stars? Anyway, lots more intense bloodletting. I think Seppia's death was in some ways more intense than some of the fight scene deaths because the camera lingered on her face and we had more time to watch her life spray out of her throat. Poor little rich bitch. Never liked her anyway. I'm a little surprised that Crixis, champion of the arena, has become reduced as a fighter. It doesn't look like he's getting as much choreography as he used to. Same with the others as they are bested by the Egyptian at some points, with the most glaring example, pun intended, being Onameus losing some hand-eye coordination (har har). Only Gannicus remains godly. Crixis pushing that rich praetor into the line of fire reminded me of the first Godfather game where you can grapple people and throw them into oncoming traffic for variety kill points and achievements. Awesome. I think the fx work is getting much better too.


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I kinda knew that they were building up Ashur to meet his end one day but to go down because of Lucretia's intrigue doesn't seem as satisfying. I liked him as a bad guy because he had a good backstory about him being essentially segregated and alienated from the rest of the Brothers. He wanted to belong so badly but was unequivocally denied/rejected when Crixis crippled him. I was kinda waiting for Ashur to pay him back for that because the injury ended any chance to prove himself a gladiator which forced him to rely on his more devious skills. The other thing that doesn't sit right is that after devising such a plan, Lucretia kills herself without knowing if her scheme worked. If I were getting repeatedly assraped by Ashur, I'd WANT to know if I hurt him back. If you were her, wouldn't you be more satisfied to learn that someone sliced open his marble bag before offing yourself? Anyway, he committed the most grave Evil Bastard mistake: making a long ass Bond villain speech giving his victim a chance to kill him. This episode was like a payroll clearing episode with so many deaths. The series is a little time warped and it woulda been nice to see Oenomaus a little longer rockin that grim new look. The stitched eye hole looked awesome - like the face of death looking back at you. Glaber's death was poetic justice full of symbolic of Roman submission to her slaves on her knees (glaber) sucking (swallowing) slave cock (sword). Only 1 minor thing about that... they shoulda added him spitting up/choking on his broken teeth. That woulda put it over the top!
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Re: Spartacus Blood and Sand / Gods of the Arena

Postby Tamayo » Sat Mar 31, 2012 11:32 pm

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I think Crixus is supposed to be preoccupied with Naevia right now and that's why he isn't quite himself. And the Egyptian guy is also supposed to be some insane badass, that's why they recruited him, so they have to show him as such. I haven't seen the last episode yet, but I have a feeling Oenomeus is about to bite it
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Re: Spartacus Blood and Sand / Gods of the Arena

Postby Tamayo » Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:46 am

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Good god do these guys know how to put on a finale, I think they definitely topped the first season here. Sad to see Oenomaus go, but saw it coming and I was glad he saved Gannicus and they reconciled; I was afraid they were gonna kill Gannicus too, he's just too bad ass to go this early. I was actually afraid at who they were gonna kill at the end, I even thought Crixus might be a candidate to die here and I expected either Agron or his boyfriend to eat it, but I'm glad none of them did yet.

I was kinda hoping Ashur would somehow figure out how to prolong his life, cause he's a pretty interesting wild card villain on the side, but it was probably his time.. and he definitely deserved it. The whole mess back at Capua was pretty grim and shocking, I guess it can't be too surprising, Lucretia has been bat shit loco the entire season. Big shift in villains yet again, and it sucks to have Glaber go as he was starting to come into his own; but his death was necessary here as well.. hopefully Crassus starts off strong next season.

Read an interview with the show creator, sounds like the next season will jump a little bit in time and see the army of Spartacus grow significantly. Interested to see how this all plays out.. gonna be a long wait :(
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Postby Tamayo » Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:11 am

I just watched some bits and pieces of season 1 eps again, and Agron was totally there only in a much smaller role. I completely don't remember him in season 1. He had a really stupid haircut.

Year long wait for more Spartacus makes Crixus MAD!

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Postby Feaduin » Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:43 pm

Well if that was the last of Ilythia, you can always catch her in a little Aussie movie on Netflix... X: Night of Vengeance. Seppia's in it too. Scrolling through shit to watch and it's hard to ignore that movie poster lol.
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Postby Tamayo » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:06 am

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Postby Feaduin » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:35 pm

Meh, I just watched that X movie. Don't bother, because neither gets naked for more than a few seconds and the story is real downer.
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Postby Tamayo » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:53 pm

The most bad ass show on TV is back for one final hurrah. Well last season ended with quite a bang
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and the horrible demise of another awesome villain.
Now we're moving forward in time, Spartacus has an army and is going after Rome. Enter Marcus Crassus, the richest man in Rome, who has been tasked with amassing an army to take down the rebel forces. This show has a reputation for awesome villains, and while I doubt anyone will be able to top Quintus Batiatus, the early impression of Crassus shows an intelligent and cunning man who has also been trained in the combat skills of a gladiator (which the show has constantly reminded us one gladiator is equal to about ten Roman soldiers). So we now have perhaps the most well rounded adversary for Spartacus yet. The actor is also showing a good screen presence and I am definitely intrigued to see what they do with this character. We also see him join forces with a young and cocky Julius Caesar, who has only briefly been shown so far, but also shows promise.

Of course all the old favorites are back (or at least the ones that survived), but I find myself more interested in the development of the villains. It is definitely cool to see Spartacus' crew finally working together, without all the drama and problems. Liam continues to make the Spartacus role his own, and while I miss Andy Whitfield, I think they made a good choice with this replacement.

I was pretty sad when they announced this season would be the last, but at least they will be able to end the series on their own terms. I could also see how the show might get repetitive if they followed the real events of history, which would have pit Spartacus against 3 or 4 other enemies before Crassus and Caesar entered the picture. And with a show that has built itself around villains, I can understand the potential fear of not being able to keep the quality of these characters high. Of course, they kinda wrote themselves into this problem by having the most awesome villain ever in the first season!
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Re: Spartacus Blood and Sand / Gods of the Arena

Postby Tamayo » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:16 am

Fuck. All I've got to say...
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Postby Feaduin » Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:01 am

Well, there really isn't that much more to the real history than what has been shown already. Now that I'm commenting 8 episodes in, I think they're doing it well because the history is kinda fuzzy in the details. We already know that Crassus will eventually win (oh come now, that wasn't a spoiler. There's already a bunch of Spartici out there and they all end the same damn way). We know he is going to get co-credit with Pompei for the victory. We know Caesar isn't going to die. The one thing we don't know is what his son is doing there (since I'm guessing he is a fictional creation for the series) except to be a villain that the audience can feel some vindication against if he dies. And boy, does he need to die. Look at how the show sets him up: he takes down better men than him from behind. Giggity. He's going to die with prejudice.
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Re: Spartacus Blood and Sand / Gods of the Arena

Postby Tamayo » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:18 pm

I now hate the son almost as much as I hate the stupid little kid king in Game of Thrones, and wish a violent death on him. I expect Gannicus to be the next man to go down, if they follow history there. I've been spoiling myself quite a bit with the show, looking up bits of history before I watch an episode, even if it isn't always 100% faithful. I almost expect the final episode to end with Spartacus + army rushing into battle, and them not really acknowledging whether he lived or died; this would give them a somewhat less depressing ending, plus would fit with history because I guess they never proved that he actually died in combat. If forget how the Kubrick Spartacus ended... maybe I should go watch that.

Episode 8 had some of the best character moments yet; the final exchange between Crixus and Spartacus was great and Crixus' battle speech was insanely epic

Sad the show is ending, but also glad they got to end on their own terms. I kinda agree with the creators comment that it could have potentially become very repetitive if they followed the history; it woulda just been season after season with a new random Roman general to beat, until finally Crassus comes. This show has been so good with its villains, I would have hated to see them half ass their way through 2 or 3 lesser generals until the final conflict actually happened. I still miss Batiatus though.. damn he was the best character ever.
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Postby Tamayo » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:37 pm

What?? There's no Spartacus tonight?!?!

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Postby Feaduin » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:56 am

Seeing that picture made me wish that Agron had a better death. Seemed somewhat empty to me. Almost like a red shirt death. You know the dude who killed himself so that Caesar would not win? That guy who pretty much staked his own head into the ground... i was kinda hoping for a gruesome hero death like that for him. When it was Agron's time it was kinda like, oh ok he finally gets hit - and.... ok he's dead, whatever. He deserved more since he was there from the beginning. And more fitting of his stature as a hero gladiator and in line with the lore of the series. The whole bit about 1 gladiator = 10 roman soldiers could have been addressed by showing a Batiatus-trained gladiator being overwhelmed in order to be overcome. Maybe some dudes with shields to bounce Agron into other dudes waiting with nets to ensnare and entangle, and finally a cavalryman charging through and lancing him through the eye when he's busy struggling. You know, the same type of shit we do when we raid a boss.

As to the other Spartacus, the ending starts here:

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Just follow it for clip 9. (hint: everybody dies).
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Postby Feaduin » Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:15 pm

Spoke too soon. My entire post above is meaningless.
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Re: Spartacus Blood and Sand / Gods of the Arena

Postby Tamayo » Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:43 pm

Haha

'There is not a single Roman with courage enough to face me. SEND TWO!'

I thought this a good dramatic and emotional episode before what I expect to be the most epic and bloody finale they've yet to make. And I can't believe I forgot about the "I'm Spartacus" ending... though I expect this show will not end that way. We shall see.
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Postby Feaduin » Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:52 am

Agron pulled a double pysche on me. However I think the backstabbing little stain of a man got off way easy and we never saw him shit his britches. I thought a little anal impalement would have been a more appropriate karmic bitch slap given his "proclivities".
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Postby Feaduin » Mon Apr 08, 2013 2:20 am

I take that back, it should be "karmic cock slap". That's more appropriate and alliterative. :P
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Re: Spartacus Blood and Sand / Gods of the Arena

Postby Tamayo » Sun Apr 14, 2013 4:06 am

Jupiter's cock. What a finale. So we got out "I am Spartacus" reference right at the beginning, which I enjoyed and it was a cool way to do that. I really liked the scene with Crassus and Spartacus on the mountain top just talking, that coulda been handled poorly, but that is the kinda moment that this show has always done well and I appreciate that.

I was only mildly disappointed with the way Gannicus went out in combat; I was really hoping for a super heroic death for him (or him surviving), but it was pretty cool to see that it took like 20 Romans AND Caesar to take him down... and god, poor guy getting the Jesus treatment. Tough seeing Spartacus, like Crixus, take a shot in the back, but it really goes to show that that is the only way to take these guys down. It was sad as hell to just watch everyone drop one after another in the final battle.

But there you go, your boy Agron made it out alive. Glad to see at least one couple come out with a somewhat happy ending. I thought they did a nice job balancing the ridiculously depressing and inevitable end to the situation, with a little bit of hope (or else it would have been the most depressing series finale in the history of TV).

Still sad that there will be no more Spartacus, but I'm also glad it got to end on such a high note. The show is only like 38 episodes long total, but to me it feels like it is much longer because of how epic the entire journey was. Appreciate the fact that they didn't have to resort to making tons of filler content; they really got to the point and kept things moving. Looking back to the very first episode of the series, and how my first impression was "wow, that was a horrible episode, they're just trying to cash in on 300's slow motion gimmick and having lots of tits." Based on that, I never would have guessed this would be a show that I felt such an emotional connection with. I feel like this show gets a bit overlooked because it came out around the same time as Game of Thrones, and because that show has much higher production values people naturally flock to that one more; and also the macho exterior of Spartacus makes people assume that there isn't any substance to it.
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